| PostIndependent.com

Letter: Offer a forum to those who contest the orthodox Holocaust narrative

I see where the Glenwood Springs Branch Library, in conjunction with Colorado Mountain College, is presenting in the Book to Film Club, a discussion of the book “History on Trial” by Deborah Lipstadt and the movie “Denial” on Oct. 8.

My response to this is to study the work of The Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (codoh.com), whose aim is to promote intellectual freedom regarding the “Holocaust” and to offer a forum to those who contest the orthodox Holocaust narrative.

Steve Campbell,
Glenwood Springs

Letter: A debate… really?

The dictionary is quite clear. A “debatable” issue is one that is “capable of being argued or discussed.” To debate an issue is to “deliberate or consider; to engage in argument; to discuss opposing points.”

Most of us can understand this. Most of us engage regularly in discussions about issues affecting our lives. The resolution to these discussions is usually a proposal that allows support with which all can agree and a plan for acceptance of differences. 

Unfortunately, an obsolete definition of the term “debate” is to fight or quarrel, to dispute or argue about, to fight or argue for or over… The obsolete term reflects conflict, strife, contention. The goal from the Latin and French derivatives is to beat, fight against each other.

It appears that the organizers of the so-called debates we must witness today (if we wish to hear discussion and support or lack of support regarding issues affecting our lives) are using the obsolete definition of debate. The goal appears to be the fight, not the discussion or search for responsible plans.

As a long time ago debate team member and as a former mentor for high school debate teams, I never limited presentations or responses to “30 seconds to two minutes”! The students would never have tolerated such nonsense. Nor should we tolerate such behavior today. We must recognize the lack of value, the encouragement of distrust, the tolerance of academic insults, and the avoidance of any value to the debates as they continue to be called.

Our candidates for President of the United States deserve better than that. Each candidate is qualified, experienced, intelligent, determined and caring. We must find a way to allow those individuals to “deliberate or consider” and to engage in true “discussion or argument” without having to resort to attack and insult or fight or conflict in order to command TV time.

Dorothea Farris,
Crystal River Valley

Letter: Proliferation of e-bikes is threatening elk habitat

During recent years, some of Colorado’s elk herds have been declining, if not collapsing, due to the proliferation of outdoor recreation — including mountain bikes and, more recently, e-bikes — on public lands. Unfortunately, a recent move by the Trump administration (Secretarial Order 3376) will open millions of acres of public land trails to motorized e-bikes, threatening intact fish and wildlife habitat.

If you’re not familiar with e-bikes, they’re motorized (battery-driven) mountain bikes. “The new policy benefits primarily the makers of electric mountain bikes, whose websites encourage riders to blast throughout our backcountry trails and set new speed records,” said Darrell Wallace, chairman of the Back Country Horsemen of America. A travel newsletter, the RobbReport, recently had this to say about e-bikes:

“To the untrained eye, Moto Parilla’s Ultra Carbon looks just like a gas-engine motorcycle. Instead, it’s actually a powerful electric mountain bike more than tough enough to tackle any trail its fuel-burning cousin can … it can turn any peak, no matter how steep and winding, into something that can be conquered with ease. … It may not be a motorcycle, but … still packs plenty of punch … a max speed of 50 mph.”

Today some 98% of the lower 48 states is within one mile of a motorized route. Ninety-two percent of all national forest lands in Colorado lie within one mile of a road, and there are over 17,000 miles of roads in Colorado’s national forests. In the San Juan National Forest alone, motorized road miles increased from 2,817 in the late 1990s to more than 6,400 miles in 2008. How many miles of motorized routes are enough?

Countless studies have shown that more roads and trails mean fragmented habitat and fewer elk. As Colorado Backcountry Hunters & Anglers founder David Petersen (a former U.S. Marine Corps helicopter pilot) said: “The three-part formula for assuring a rich elk hunting future … could hardly be simpler. … Those three essential elements are: habitat, habitat, and habitat.”

David A. Lien 

Colorado Backcountry Hunters & Anglers co-chair

Colorado Springs

Letter: Tipton should support permanent legislative protection for Thompson Divide

Thank you to local rancher, Marj Perry for clearing the air in her letter last week, for Post Independent readers who are attempting to understand the current state-of-play in our community’s effort to protect Thompson Divide. Anyone who read the July article titled “Here’s why Tipton’s public lands bill doesn’t include the Thompson Divide,” may have come away unclear about Garfield County’s support, even though the County clarified their position earlier in July with a letter of support submitted to Sen. Michael Bennet’s office.

As Marj noted, permanently protecting Thompson Divide has been a priority for local ranchers and the greater community for over a decade. Provisions of Sen. Bennet’s CORE Act reflect the work and consensus of a diverse and bi-partisan group of stakeholders. Much like the ranchers who want the area protected to preserve the viability of their grazing leases, we hunters too, want the Divide to remain pristine and free from mineral extraction in order to preserve it for its wildlife habitat values. In fact, game Management Unit #43 in Thompson Divide is one of the most sought-after units for hunting in the state, one in which I’ve been fortunate to hunt numerous times over the years.

With Rep. Scott Tipton’s concerns about Garfield County’s stance on Thompson Divide resolved, I urge him to join local hunters, ranchers, city and county governments, and recreationists of all kinds in supporting permanent legislative protection for the area as proposed in the CORE Act.

Bob Shettel
Backcountry Hunters and Anglers West Slope DPW liaison

Letter: Recognize Indigenous Peoples Day in Carbondale

Many Americans are seeing the wisdom of honoring people that came before us. On the second Monday of October many will celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day, as our day to recognize all our relations in the natural world, including our human kin. We can recognize Nuche (the people) with “Indigenous Peoples Day” aka “Nuche” and ask them home.

We honor the First Nations for husbanding the land. Nuche partnered with the natural world to keep her in pristine condition, for thousands of years.
Nuche handed us a clean, fertile, abundant, incredibly rich wilderness to settle. A land that sustained people effortlessly, as Nuche ranged between peak and plain with their brothers the elk and buffalo, over wide Colorado expanse.

Once the aboriginals were forced out, Nuche trails became state highways, Nuche land became state land, for us to buy and sell, develop and profit from. Now 400 years after landing on a pristine shore, our country is anemic and burning. Toxins and plastics have become a homogenous part of the air, water, land and our bodies. Remote Wilderness show decline.

It’s time to join indigenous people in their worldwide focus on healing climate and planet. We can link our intent to their dances and prayers, gratitude, for the intelligent, natural world.

Join us on Tuesday, Sept. 24 at 6 p.m. in Carbondale town hall for the proclamation to recognize “Nuche.”

John Hoffmann

Letter: Time to improve Two Rivers Park

Two Rivers Park is one of Glenwood Springs’ most heavily used public amenities, attracting crowds of locals and tourists to the free Summer of Music concerts and hosting other special events throughout the year. It offers facilities for baseball and skateboarding, a children’s playground and bike paths connecting to Aspen and the Vail Valley. It also offers picnic tables and shelters, bathrooms, barbecue grills and nearly 20 acres of landscaped lawns and shade trees, not to forget the memorial to 14 firefighters who lost their lives in the 1994 Storm King Mountain fire.

Most importantly, Two Rivers Park provides an ideal location for thousands of boaters, rafters, fishermen, pedestrians, pet owners and others to directly experience the Colorado River — one of the West’s most-loved and mighty rivers. 

Although there is much to love about Two Rivers Park, there also are serious shortcomings, including an often crowded, under-sized boat ramp and a steep, eroding shoreline littered with broken concrete, rebar and scrap metal that makes it difficult to reach most of the river’s edge except by boat.

The city has been discussing possible improvements to Two Rivers Park since at least 2014. But when an initial plan went out for bid last January, it attracted only a single $4.7 million bid. When a scaled-back plan was re-bid in July, however, multiple bidders helped to drive the expected project cost down to about $2.9 million. That includes: an expanded boat ramp with nearby bathrooms; shoreline restoration between the boat ramp and the Rio Grande Trail pedestrian bridge; a new River Trail along that same section of river.

City Council is scheduled to vote this Thursday (9/19) on whether to fund the revised Two Rivers Park improvement plans. I’m strongly in favor of proceeding with this long-awaited project, and encourage councilors to do so without further delay.

Yes, funds are limited and there are still lots of streets and bridges to repair. But it’s also important to maintain and improve recreation amenities like Two Rivers Park, which can make us healthier, happier and safer.

Russ Arensman

Glenwood Springs

Letter: Stable genius or mentally deficient

This letter is in response to Stan Rachesky’s letter of Sept. 13. 

Stan, you must have forgotten about one of your letters from several years ago stating your opinion that people with a 1Y draft exemption were mentally deficient. That being stated makes me wonder if President Trump’s disappearing bone spurs also precludes him from being a self-proclaimed “stable genius.” 

Remember from the same time frame Watergate and the Pentagon Papers? Considered “fake news” at the time. 

One of the president’s least favorite newspapers, the Washington Post, has a motto of “Liberty Dies In Darkness.” 

Someone once said “the truth shall set you free,” but Marco Diaz already covered that.

Luke Bradshaw

Grand Junction

Letter: A child shall lead

Like Leif Erikson 1,000 years ago, 16-year-old Swede Greta Thunberg sailed across the Atlantic to America on Aug. 28. She came not to conquer the New World, but to defeat what may be the most daunting challenge mankind has ever faced, the coming climate catastrophe. Every Friday since August of last year, Thunberg has skipped school to go to the Swedish parliament and demand climate action, and now she’s carrying that message to the United Nations.  

The Greatest Generation may have taken on the Great Depression and World War II, but that was child’s play compared to what the current younger generation will be facing if we don’t do something about the greenhouse gases we’re pumping into the atmosphere. Youngsters like Thunberg and 12-year-old Haven Coleman of Denver aren’t waiting for their elders to act. They’re taking matters into their own hands.

That’s why organizations worldwide seeking to reverse the effects of climate change are following Thunberg’s lead and planning a strike, where workers and students walk out of their workplaces and schools and demand climate action. On Friday, Sept. 20, 350 Roaring Fork is putting together such an event at Sopris Park in Carbondale at noon for about an hour. 

Youth participation is crucial. Their future is at stake. We baby boomers will all be dead by the time the full effects of the climate crisis hits. 350 Roaring Fork, with a lot of help from their friends, is reaching out to the local schools for their approval and consent. We’d like the majority of the speakers to be students. If a few teachers want to join in, that’d be great.

Maybe you don’t want your children to cut even one class. Consider this, Greta Thunberg has been ditching Fridays for over a year now, and if you’ve heard her speak, you know her language skills haven’t suffered. Her knowledge of climate science demonstrates she’s not falling behind in math and science, either. 

We encourage all participants to walk, ride bikes or take public transportation to the event. Eagle Crest Nursery in El Jebel is offering 40% off on all tree sales on that date.

Don’t the climate change deniers love their children, too? I know we do, and we’d like to leave them with a planet that’s at least as healthy as the one we inherited.

“You say you love your children above all else and yet you are stealing their future in front of their very eyes.”

— Greta Thunberg

Fred Malo Jr.


Letter: Beep beep

Michael Galvis was right on describing Trump as Road Runner, limited vocabulary, small brain, tiny hands,          

Carl Heck


Letter: DeFrates uninformed on hunting

It is blatantly obvious that Lindsay DeFrates knows as much about the vast majority of hunters as I do about quantum physics. 

Please do us all a favor and don’t give your opinion on hunting when you most likely have never spoken with a hunter, experienced hunting or even understand why most hunters hunt, and why hunting is a very important part of wildlife management. News flash, Lindsay, it is not about the trophy. 

Your ignorance on the subject was there for all to see with your statement “nine-point rack.” Wow. Maybe you should go out to the Colorado Parks and Wildlife Office in Canyon Creek and speak with someone that will educate you on the subject. 

To make such a broad statement shows you didn’t educate yourself on the subject. Talk about a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience, the definition of prejudice.

It’s true most hunters are looking for that perfect shot: The last thing a hunter wants is a wounded animal. Most hunters will pass up game if they feel the shot could result in wounding the animal and it going to waste.

The success rate for elk hunting in Colorado in 2017 was around 20%. Do you truly believe that if it were all about the “epic bro-story, or the bucket list box checked” that Colorado would still have billions of dollars pour into the economy each year during hunting seasons?

Finally, I have been hunting with a group of men for about the last 12 years. There are two in the group that come from Illinois each year and were coming to hunt before I met them. I believe they have taken maybe two or three elk and a couple of deer in 20 years. 

They come for the beauty of the mountains, to be with friends, to relax, and if they are lucky to take home some wild game.

Linda, you owe all hunters, men and women — yes, there are women that hunt — an apology. Why do I not see that coming in the near future?

Doug Meyers

Glenwood Springs