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After reading the recent letters and columns of Talbott, Barth, and Herbst regarding science and religion, I can only conclude they are either grossly ignorant, or deliberately being untruthful and disingenuous.

Religion is not capable of being used as a means of judging science, because it is illogical and unscientific. Science never has anything to do with supernaturalism, which is, of course, the basis of all religions. Any attempt to mix the two is the act of an irrational personality. Evolution is scientific fact. Religion is not.

There are those who would suggest “”Intelligent Design,” or other unprovable concepts. The following is from the decision of the trial, “Kitsmiller versus Dover Area School District,” issued Dec. 20, 2005, by U.S. Federal District Court Judge John E. Jones, who incidentally is a Republican church-going appointee of George W, Bush. No liberal activism there.

“ID is not science. We find that ID fails on three different levels, any one of which is sufficient to preclude a determination that ID is science. They are: (1) ID violates the centuries old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causations. (2) The argument of irreducible complexity, central to ID employs the same flawed and illogical contrived dualism that doomed creation science in the 1980’s; and (3) ID’s negative attacks on evolution have been refuted by the scientific community.”

If one insists on an “expanded definition of science,” then it is also necessary to include astrology, numerology, phrenology, and all the rest of the pseudo “ology” cousins in the mix as being valid, as was admitted in testimony by one of ID’s proponents, Michael Behe.

Intelligent Design is not science. Intelligent Design is not biology. Intelligent Design is not an accepted or valid scientific theory.

Remember the next time you watch pro sports on TV, each of those athletes is depending on a scientific theory which actually has fewer empirical exhibits supporting it than evolution. What? Gravity, of course.

So, am I a “Godless Liberal Heathen?” No. I will, however, next time cheerfully accept scientific proof of your assertions.

David Scott

Glenwood Springs

I am an avid motorcyclist and have noticed a much greater number of metric bikes in the valley over the last several years. I am interested in forming a motorcycle club for those of us who choose to ride metric sportbikes, naked streetfighters, cruisers or customs. I would like to be part of a club that is not brand specific and welcomes all riders.

If you are a rider and would like to be part of a club that has weekly bike nights, informal rides, organized rides such as poker runs, observation runs, bike shows, rallies, and just to have fun and meet new people, call me. My number is 379-0718, leave a message with contact information.

To all non-riders, I would like to remind you that spring is here and motorcycles are back out on the road. Please understand motorcycles are not bicycles, they are motor vehicles and require the same respect on the road as cars. Please watch for us and drive carefully.

And to those drivers who cut motorcycles off, show us your middle finger, and throw stuff out your windows at us because you believe we don’t belong on the road, just remember … we get 45-plus miles per gallon.

And one interesting fact, worldwide, the number one vehicle sold in total numbers is the Honda Cub, a motorcycle. So really, automobiles are the minority, not motorcycles. Remember, respect is a two-way street.

Brad Gates

New Castle

Oh, good! Now our president, while speaking to the wimpy French, whose backside we saved during World War II, calls our country arrogant among other things! We should be a little arrogant, since we are the greatest nation in the world. We sure don’t need the leader of our country badmouthing us as he speaks to other nations.

Without our “arrogance,” the Berlin Wall may have not come down, the Serbs might still be ruling and killing in their part of the world, Saddam would still be in power and women would not be teaching children in Afghanistan.

God bless America!

Dick Prosence


I read Dale Shrull’s column about the future of newspapers with great interest. Having been on both sides of the layoff experience in the past, I feel for you, your staff and the talented folks who are now looking for jobs in this tough market.

My family moved to Glenwood Springs seven years ago looking for a close-knit community to call home. The Glenwood Springs Post Independent symbolizes so much of what makes this such a great place to live. Like you, I have a hard time imagining Glenwood without a local paper. Professionally, I rely on the PI to promote my client, Glenwood Caverns Adventure Park. (The PI is doing a bang-up job with the recent ad campaign, by the way.) Personally, I’ve read the paper virtually every day for the past seven years. It’s usually a tug of war around the breakfast table to see who gets to read it first. Your paper helps us feel connected to, and a part of, our community…and that’s what living in a small town is all about.

So thank you and everyone on the staff for continuing to keep us informed, encouraging us to think, making us laugh (thanks, April!) and supporting our local businesses during these challenging times. Hang in there; we’re pulling for you.

Mandy Gauldin

Glenwood Springs

Between 1933 and 1942, a New Deal program established by Franklin Roosevelt provided economic relief to a nation hard hit by failing banks and unemployment. Designed to carry out a broad natural resource conservation program on national, state and municipal lands, it operated in every state including the then-territories of Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Alaska, and the Virgin Islands. A separate division operated on the Indian reservations. It is reported that 70 percent of the appointees were malnourished, in a desperate state. With no job potential and poor educational background, men came to the camps to work under a boot-camp organization with military clothing and discipline. Black Americans were given opportunities to become supervisors, though the camps were segregated. Roosevelt was determined to preserve the pride of American workers with their own ability to earn a living, so he concentrated on creating jobs.

Young men between 18-25, married and unemployed flocked to these camps. It is believed a 50 percent reduction in crime is attributed to the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC).

As an archaeologist working for the U.S. Forest Service, I saw first-hand the products of these men. Trained by expert masons and builders, the CCC built some of the most impressive and well-built structures in our national lands from masonry culverts, bridges, incredible log and masonry buildings (Tigewon), trails, to vista outlooks. In the Southwest, they conducted archaeological research on the Anasazi and Texas prehistoric sites. Also known as Roosevelt’s Tree Army, the CCC planted over three billion trees in the national forests and was responsible for more than half of public and private reforestation during the Dust Bowl era. After over 80 years, many of these structures are still standing while more modern ones are crumbling … a beautiful testament to this incredible organization. Disbanded when the economy improved, the CCC left men with incredible training and experience.

So when you hear criticism or scare tactics, look at the Civilian Conservation Corps’ unblemished history, and what it gave to this nation in a time of need.

Alice Gustafson

Glenwood Springs

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